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samus12345If you want to be a decent human being, you have to ignore large swathes of the Bible, including things Jesus says in it. Unless you think slavery is acceptable, for example. Left leaning Christians ignore the bad stuff, and right leaning Christians ignore the good stuff.
OmegaAlso personal rights.
Also responsible economics.
Also patriotism.
Also small government.
Also state rights.
Also going after pedophiles and murders.
They really hate all the things they claim to love.
Christian teachings might be the thing they hate the most though.
Evangelical Christianity is nothing but a malleable garment that we use to dress up and cover whatever bigotries we want to preserve in our society.
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Ilixtze"Christian left" 🙄
alkI mean, Jesus was an anti-imperialist Jewish preacher who hung out with 'indesirables' and begged people to love each other as much as they love themselves. He's like the proto-leftist, lol.
The teachings of Jesus didn't survive Rome without losing much in the process (some might even say it lost its own soul, as faith became something you "believed" and not something that is only visible through ones actions), what made you think they would even be recognizable in the US? 🤷
Honestly, all around the world people are selfish, immature and functionally illiterate. The majority of so called believers have never read any scripture at all, and I will never understand those people. The lights are definitely off in their mind shacks...
It is impossible to know for certain what jesus did or did not teach.
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Jesus never wrote any of it down, neither did anyone who ever met Jesus, as far as we can tell.
Thank you for this! I'm now going to add "Objection: Hearsay!" To my list of "How to argue with Christians using the Bible".
It will slot in very well right after the "Jesus said we don't have to follow Leviticus" arguments.
Christianity has a very rich scholarly history. If you find yourself discussing it often, i would absolutely recommend looking up some of the real scholars on the matter (rather than listening to me or any other random person online).
But also, you're welcome :)
You have to exist to be able to write stuff down, so that’s probably why he didn’t.
There probably was a historical jesus.
Otherwise I don't see why Christians would have made up the whole trip to Bethlehem story about a census which we have no record of. They needed the real jesus to have some reason to be in the prophecied place.
At that time in that region there were a lot of cults. It’s very likely that the Jesus figure from the bible is an amalgamation of multiple cult leaders from that period.
Of course, by the definition of cult used at thatxtime all monotheistic and henotheistic religions are cults.
Curious CanidThe Christian left is quite large and active, but it doesn't attract media attention. Treating everyone like human beings and trying to help those in need isn't nearly as interesting as spewing mindless hatred and engaging in constant hypocrisy. Those who follow "Republican Jesus" make for better entertainment.
Not to mention that being humble and reserved are values that are strongly emphasized by Jesus, so people actually trying to follow his teachings won't usually be the vocal, obvious ones.
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Religion and politics should not mix
This makes me think of that one episode of Silicon Valley where a character is gay but Richard calls them out for being Christian, by accident. The joke being that in Silicon Valley (the region of Northern California that technology companies like to congregate), being openly Christian is politically worse than your sexuality.
Looking back at that scene it's kind of a time capsule because today Peter Thiel is working to build Silicon Valley into a Christian cult
Not wholly christian, but a new form with AI and hookers!
Absolute nonsense mate! There are literally several right wing parties in every single country who are openly Christian and claim to spread christian “values”! Values which are not that of the bible, which would be so much much much more apocalyptically worse…
Idunno, I like people that think they'll go to hell if they ignore Matthew 5 and 6
And everything is political
Ephesians 6:12 ESV
[12] For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
Just like how words change meaning with popular use so do definitions like Christian.
You are a part of their group and not the other way around.
I think it makes sense to think about terms and concepts as having potentially two different sets of definitions: those you and your kinfolk understand and prefer, and those that the average person on the street would be familiar with. They each have their uses.
The former are good for identity, understanding, and conversation with like-minded people. The latter are good when miscommunication needs to be minimized and/or when dealing with people who see things differently than we do.
If you only recognize one set of definitions, you risk misunderstanding your self OR others misunderstanding you.
"Can you please define what you mean by X" is often a useful question.
Your second statement doesn't follow from the first. If words change meaning by people of other groups using it to describe themselves, how does that make me part of that group? Right-wing "Christian" fanatics aren't part of my group regardless of what they call themselves. Hell, that's the entire point of the meme.
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And if we want to go back and look at the actual context of the whole "male and female" references, your perspective ends up on shakier ground.
The quoted passage is Genesis 1:26-27 where the word for God is the plural form Elohim and in 1:27 when humans are made in the image of this plural Elohim, they are then made "male and female."
But the dual creation of man in Genesis was actually a very big topic in the 1st century CE, and the dual engendering here in the first creation led to all sorts of complex views of the original man's gender, from the Jewish philosopher Philo describing a hermaphroditic primordial man, to the Kabbalistic Adam Kadmon, to various other sects.
(The idea of ambiguity to the "original man's gender" may be confusing to you, but Hebrew/Aramaic has no neutral gender so 'Adam'/man was used as the term for all humanity throughout the Bible — context better appreciated by the cultures back then working with the original context and language and not merely translations that lost nuance.)
These were also culturally normative interpretations given the fairly widespread Mediterranean views in neighboring polytheistic traditions that had dual gendered original figures that later split into different genders.
The Talmud even covers situations and protocols for when there's intersex births, so across multiple influences the understanding of gender in Jesus's time was likely much more nuanced than the retcon modern conservatism tries to apply to it.
Be wary of blindly following blind faith lest you stumble into a pothole. "I'm not sure" is almost always a wiser position to take than "I'm certain the Holy Spirit says this thing is wrong even though I never really looked into it." Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and all that.
"I don't know" blasphemes nothing.
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