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Wasn't the guy who made it banned? Is he the one who made that fuck America community of whatever it was called?
Some of those posts are decent jokes to be honest. Some are just desperate/scare tactics though.
I thought it was a satiric thing - is it meant to be seriously?
The owner once said they were *not* a meme community in a post. Empirical evidence disagrees.
I'm not sure. Some posts legitimately seem like Linux users making fun of themselves. Others really seem like people who have an actual grudge against it.
Poe's Law, baby.
If you satirically make a community about the Earth being a triangle, users who actually believe it will pop up eventually.
They're very serious. Or a very dedicated troll. Or both.
I got banned from that community when I said that I had no trouble playing any Steam or Heroic Launcher games. I also said I don't play any AAA slop and especially any rootkit shit.
If it was satire, they wouldn't have taken offense at that.
Ehh, it's not like Linux is perfect. And if we want more Linux adoption it's good to have different perspectives and be made aware of things that perhaps we haven't thought of. It could be useful to vent about Linux through memes if we can have proper discourse and are willing to work collaboratively to solve issues.
a satirical linuxsucks would be so funny, like making fun of Linux for not having enough LLM integrations and ads
Why do we want more Linux adoption? I think that's part of the problem. There is no reason to try to oversell Linux. If someone doesn't want to use Linux and they don't ask to about it you shouldn't just randomly show up and say to use Linux.
If someone is complaining about windows, or raising privacy concerns that Linux would solve, or just talking about price options, then I think it's perfectly fair to mention Linux.
Right now the biggest issue with Linux is that some software is not made for it. With more Linux market share, devs have a higher incentive to build software for Linux. Like imagine if videogame devs didn't think they needed windows to work, or Mac to run adobe.
Lol don't give them any attention. It's the same 3 people who didn't get loved enough during their formative years and cannot distinguish between good attention and bad attention
Meh. I have no issues with novelty accounts/ projects that are taking the piss.
All three of them are Lunduke.
But lunduke doesn't hate Linux. Only the fact that women are using it.
Idk if this is a joke or not.
Based on his more recent content, it's almost serious.
Keep it polite, folks. No personal attacks against others, *especially* speculations regarding mental or emotional capabilities.
How is this not a joke community, like the Lunduke videos?
I thought the same at first, then I started to think the main person was just trolling, now I'm pretty sure they're actually serious
Well, Lunduke is making hour long nuanced content just with baity titles. And he doesn't spend a portion of his days on banning people and sending snarky comments. This is mostly shitposting, ragebait and wrong factual claims...
Lunduke is great to listen as long as his videos are not about "wokeness", and lately all of them are, so I ended up unsubscribing him.
Microwaving any of your computer parts can brick them.
I accidentally ran
rm -rf /on my work MacBook once. Proper backups and patience with yourself are far better solutions than recommending to let Microsoft infect your computer.linux is terrible because removing the entire root folder can brick your system it should be more like windows where removing system32 can brick your system
The mention of UEFI in this context likely means they are thinking of a deletion recursing through sysfs and by extension deleting all visible UEFI variables which, in some firmware editions and versions, causes it not to be able to get through post or into the setup menu.
I vaguely recall this and the general issue was very bad firmware design, but it was possible to make it impossible to even reinstall a system. If you were industrious in windows you could have done the same thing, so malware under windows could also brick such platforms.
Of course rm has more safeguards on it so you have to pass more flags and really really be asking it to try to screw things up.
Like you said, it was just some early implementations of UEFI. I haven't heard of anything like this happening recently.
Also the kernel makes those variable immutable by default now, except the well known standard ones, so even for buggy UEFI this is mitigated nowadays. Just pointing out it came from a once legitimate space as a consequence of "everything is a file in a monolithic file namespace". Which on the one hand is bad if someone uses rm with all sorts of flags to overrule the "you don't want to do this" protections in the utility. On the other hand what you accidentally managed to do in Linux represented a problem that windows malware could have exploited.
More specifically it has done that for the last 8 years :-D
Nice to know.
So, I would assume the firmware gave write access to a part of permanent memory, critical to starting the system.
I feel like that would be someone like me, thinking of it as a feature and giving the possible values for those variables in the readme. And of course, who reads the readme even though it says "READ ME"?
UEFI defines a structured way to have data shared with OS as read write variables, including the ability to create, modify, and delete variables that UEFI can see.
However, some firmware used this facility to store values and then their code assumed the variables would always be there. The code would then crash when it goes to read a deleted variable and not know what to do. The thing is deleting those variables per spec is a perfectly valid the due the OS to do, but firmware was buggy and the bugs not caught because normally OS would not bother those variables except for a few standard popular ones, like boot order.
So flashing the firmware would "solve" the issue? As in, it should rewrite the variables missing (and everything else), making the hardware usable again?
Generally speaking, these platforms are not flashable unless they can boot a flash utility, assuming that whatever prior firmware is running is at least in good enough shape to boot to an update environment.
There are designs to be robust and accessible even in the face of all this, but relatively rare, effectively unheard of in laptop market. Even some of those emergency recovery environments may be more limited than you would like to repair this sort of thing.
I see, in that case, that would not be someone like me :P as I tend to care about specifications.
This is a really useful explanation for someone who doesn't know about the UEFI spec.
I was going to ask why anybody would want to move the root directory and where to but it was a joke right?
I'm a bit bias right now because I tried to install PopOS on a partition last night to see if i could play with it and make a media server. My VPN client failed to install properly, corrupted the OS and when I booted back to the live disk (Rufus made USB) I was able to format the partition but no longer install to it. The boot loader no longer works and it can't get into any OS now.
I have to say I haven't had this problem before, but working in IT and installing Windows on over 10 thousand computers in my career, this has happened to none.
(I'll try another installer likely and format the partition over and see if another bootloader like grub will take and fix the issue).
Edit: changed course and said fuck it.. formatted the entire drive and so much for the other data that was there. Clean install maybe the VPN client won't botch everything this time.
Bootloader no worky can be caused by a hundred different issues. The installer may have removed the kernel or a CPIO archive (initramfs or processor microcode) that the bootloader needs. You could be missing some EFI program. If the boot entry is set to identify the root filesystem by its UUID, formatting/reinstalling would have changed the real UUID and then the bootloader wouldn't be able to find it. Maybe installing the OS simply wiped or damaged that partition.
If you have to reinstall the OS, you should also reinstall the bootloader (the OS installer usually lets you do that from the GUI), or if you're confident, update the boot entries to reflect the state of the computer. I strongly recommend using btrfs as your root filesystem instead of ext4, and use Timeshift to set up regular snapshots (btrfs) or backup clones (ext4) in case this happens again.
Darn, wish I would have read this prior to restarting the install after wiping the disk. I would have tried btrfs, it defaulted to ext4 as the machine was using mbr previously and not uefi for the boot, so I Rufus popped up with ext4 recommended and I ran with it
Ext4 is still perfectly fine. It's a mature technology, and much more stable than btrfs. Your experience will not be any different because of this.
I still recommend using Timeshift. The only downside is that only the Rsync backup method will be available, which creates a full on-disk copy of your system files.
Thanks I'll try it out once I set up the media server and figure out storage setup. Right now it just has an old 256ssd (sata) for the boot drive, originally was just taking 50gb for that and was going to use old 7200 drives for media storage. I assume I'll need to have the time shift backups running to one of the other drives or it would be useless if the drive dies.
I love how he complains about being "brigaded" when the most comments on any post in the community is like 8.
That, and due to the relatively small nature of the fediverse, simply being in the new tab makes things likely to be seen for quite a bit, enough for ~8 users to come in and explain how backwards they're being.
The community definitely has been brigaded though, as every single post (except one that is negative to Microsoft) has been downvoted to oblivion.
'Brigading' would be if pro-Linux communities were organizing to specifically target another community.
The fediverse is likely to attract the kinds of people interested in Linux in the first place, and all the negative attention that community attracts comes organically.
I talked with the user a bit in Linux_vs_Windows before they were booted from the community, and it's my opinion that they just have a hate-boner going for Linux. It's possible to have valid criticism of Linux, but they go *way* past legitimate and straight into obsession territory. They tend to post in that community *daily*. So their points aren't exactly great (though sometimes they hit on a good meme) and they get the points they get naturally.
It's not a conspiracy, their arguments just tend to be shit.
I read a really egregious childish and angry comment that had nothing to do with linux, and it went on so badly I checked the persons post history up, something I very rarely do, guess who it was...
I also already had that linux hate community blocked, it was so low effort when it wasn't just outright wrong.
Gotta protect the microsoft stocks.
efivars are made read only by the kernel. That firmware bug (!) was worked around in the kernel years ago.
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/filesystems/efivarfs.rst
Specifically in 2016: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/ed8b0de5a33d2a2557dce7f9429dca8cb5bc5879
uefi is cringe anyway, reject uefi and return to grub in the system firmware
Firmware is one step before.
BIOS, UEFI, coreboot, or whatever weird code runs on a Raspberry Pi's GPU to load your system, those are firmwares.
The firmware is what starts your bootloader; grub, BOOTMGR, u-boot, etc
even if my grub is in the system eeprom?
Oh I've never heard of such a setup. But that does muddy the lines a bit, I can see the argument for calling it part of firmware then.
yeah it's goofy, you can embed grub in coreboot cbfs and load straight into it, skipping the bios/uefi stage. it's a bit difficult to set up (and you need coreboot supported hardware) but when you get it working the boot times become really quick
i just realised though that you can embed Linux into cbfs as well, does that then mean that Linux could be my kernel and firmware at the same time?
Funny that there’s a meme against open source on lemmy
Quick glance AFat that place and wow. Talk about people completely and utterly missing the point
Yeah, I know I can be annoying when I tell people for the 100th time that they should install Linux, but I wouldn't have to say that if they didn't get their computer hacked / full of viruses / full with Microsoft bloat and spyware they want removed and come to me to fix that shit on each of those occasions.
Its all one person. Literally 98% of the posts are one butthurt dude, who then goes on to complain that linux users are annoying because they make it their whole personality.
It just gets sad when you remember the dude running it isn't doing this for satire. They generally think it sucks.
I thought it was satire at first and thought, how long before they start going after stereotypes? Then I saw it was just that one person and thought damn someone misconfigured their backups and lost their job.
Wait... Is that community run by Gerald Holmes?
http://www.l8r.net/geraldholmes.freeyellow.com/ (a 25 year-old, very likely satire site)
Oh, the irony.
I think PC gamers in general are annoying regardless of what OS they use. I say this as a Linux PC gamer.
I agree...I Linux game in Arch btw.
Noob distro, all the true Linux gamers use LFS.
The thing that he doesn't understand is that he cannot ascertain my "entire personality" by simply seeing the facets of it I show *in linux forums.*
Furthermore, I would argue that creating and singularly sustaining a salty "fuck linux" community puts OP pretty far up the list of "linux is entire personality," even if "anti-" it's still likely more than most of us tbh. Like I say, all I know of them is from that comm so I'm sure there's other facets to their personality I'm not privy to, I'm just saying, who is *really* more obsessed, the guy posting in forums and sometimes recommending it as an alternative when people complain about windows, or the guy who runs a whole ass hate community dedicated to it? Ironic, really.
I’m not even all the way switched over and I got my only comment deleted. I apparently broke the rule about only being allowed to hate.
I just realized that I've already blocked both of the mods at some point in the past. The community looks really dead without their posts.
Madthumbs posts a lot of misinformation.
I looked at some posts of them. They posted a meme about how Linux users don't shut the fuck up about Linux, while running this community.... Lol.
As a Linux user, we might be a little too passionate.
We have to offset the complacency and downright apathy of Windows users, and the tribal/cult mentality of Apple consumers.
It's easy to be passionate when you aren't killing your soul with Windows.
Well good thing there's basically no legitimate reason to ever even use
rm -rf /anyway so GNU version is perfectly within its rights to refuse to do that by default, am I right? If you know what you're doing and want to nuke partitions, that's whatcfdiskandmkfsare for, dammitYeah like so could deleting system32, and there were plenty of memes about that also.
'Bricked' in this sense meaning not that you'd just trash your OS and need a reinstall, but that it could actually stop your computer from booting *at all*. So the system32 analogy doesn't exactly fit.
It's because some motherboards implement UEFI in a way that allows important variables to be overwritten by I/O processes. Executing
sudo rm -rf /*would recursively go into the EFI parameters folder where the kernel mounts EFI variables and attempt to delete things. Some motherboards allowed these delete operations to remove things in the motherboard's firmware it needs to complete POST, thus rendering the motherboard useless.But that's a problem with the motherboard, not with Linux or Windows. The same damage can be caused by Windows.
rm -rf / won't even run. Only sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root will
Really? Let me tr
yeah but what about
rm -rf ../../../.../var/lib/../../?Madthumbs finally got some psychiatric help huh?
The posts are locked, so folks cannot comment. And the community itself is locked, so non-moderators cannot post. But madthumbs is a moderator.
Nothing loaded at all for me. So it looked like it just got nuked.
Oh, do you have the community blocked? I think, that would do that...
I dont remember doing it but I might have after he banned me with a snarky little message.
Who did this? The mods themselves? I mean they're entitled to do whatever they like in their community... within instance rules... Or is this some intervention by someone else?
Only the mod posts there anyway. Locking the community is a mod power.
But I guess the admins can overpower any mod, so it could be them as well?!
There's a lot of things you're allowed to do that are really really stupid.
They forgot
sudo. Also, why not throw in a-vflag to see your dreams die in real time!When I first messed with Linux circa 1997, I had just installed it and learned how to edit fstab to mount my windows drive automatically.
I couldn't figure out how to start X, though, so I booted into windows and asked in EFnet #linux.
The advice I was given was 'rm -rf /'.
I hadn't yet learned about non-privileged accounts.
The correct command was 'startx'.
I first started my GNU-Linux journey on a RasPi 2 Model B+. I too remember having to
startx!Its one guy(whos the mod) posting a bunch of stupid shit there. A bunch of the posts are just "i compared you to a minority group so i win the argument". Some of the "memes" are so badly made that it actually shows you problems with windows more than linux.
I’ve seen the same thing. I remember thinking to myself a couple of times, “This isn’t the dunk you think it is.”
There’s clearly a fundamental misunderstanding there about how Linux development happens when the majority of the terrible memes treat the thousands of open source projects that go into the myriad of different distributions as a single monolithic effort run by some central authority. Or that there’s some coordinated effort to obscure the truth about switching from Windows because evangelizing the gospel of Linux is more important than everything else. And that’s beside the fact that so many of the memes aren’t even grounded in fact or are just badly outdated.
I’ve never bothered to interact with anyone there, and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I legitimately think that there are issues at play here that go beyond mere preferences in operating systems. I won’t antagonize the situation because of that.
For whatever reason, Reddit's algorithm decided I should start seeing that community, and I've always struggled to figure out if it's just Linux users shitposting, or if there are people out there who really just have huge boners for Microsoft
It started out as ironic shit posting which attracted and built an unironic hate/conspiracy community
It's happened over and over and over again lol
I'm inclined to think former. Excepting X box players, I've never actually met anyone in real life who actually likes Microsoft. Only people who are forced to use it, and don't feel like migrating to greener pastures.
I also thought it was Linux shitposting, but I've had a few comments deleted there. I think they seriously hate Linux for some reason.
Reddit?
Yeah, Reddit's got /r/linuxsucks
That's hilarious. Is that one also run by 2 mods that are the only ones that post?
I honestly don't know, but that would be hilarious
As a heavy Linux user, the more I use it, the more shit I talk on it.
I do not have proof but this guy has definitely various accounts on Reddit.
Work switched from windows 10 to 11. Think im the only person who read all the terms and conditions before upgrading thier work machine.
If you can honsetly agree to all of that, then go for it.
Wow, I assumed this was just some lighthearted trolling. I think they might actually be upset.
One of the reasons I dont like local moderators being perpetually in charge of some communities. We should have a way to vote out unwanted mods. Or at least have term limits.
Just create a new community
On the flip side, if I create a community for some really niche thing that I want to discuss with others, I don't want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
Mob mentality on social media is also a real problem. People see downvotes and continue to down vote a comment without even reading the whole thing, automatically assuming a user must be an asshole if everyone else downvotes them. Oftentimes, it's just something people don't want to hear, but is true.
Without the "irrational mob of users," wouldn't the community just be you, and thus.... not a community?
Isn't that missing the entire point? "It's my community I built it."
So the people who exist in the community and partake in it aren't part of it? Only you are because you spearheaded it? When you die they will shut it down in reverence for what has been lost, like the NBA retires numbers?
Then why even give a shit and start one and put unpaid hours into it? I don't do any work without an end product to show for it. The users are just casually posting media. The mod has to sit there all day and make sure the community doesn't turn into a shit show.
The mayor doesn't own the town
At least the ones that do are the villains in those stories
Then you honestly don't understand what a community is or why you would want to be involved with it. Sadly this attitude seems to be everywhere these days.
A *community* isn't *just for you.*
We're literally in the Linuxmemes community *where we're supposed to be part of an Open Source community* so this attitude fucking baffles me.
If I write code that gets *overwritten by better code*, is it really worth it to bitch about how I have nothing to show for it now? Or should I be happy that someone more competent than me made the community better for everyone, including me?
I get that. But I'm from the old school. In the 90s and early 2000s, if you paid for server space, bandwidth, and set up a forum for multiple users, nobody questioned whether it was yours or not and your ability to do whatever you want with it. Users who didn't like it moved on or started their own.
If you grow it, that's great! If a "mob of users" votes you out... that's the community.
And if it doesn’t grow but a mob of users that you’ve pissed off somewhere else go find your community and vote you out of it?
That's a good legitimate issue.
There's some things that could be done, like only allow people that have been part of the community for x amount of time may help. But it will definitely need to be thought about further.
But the current solution is permanent changes by mods of a community you are part of still sucks.
Sucked when it was part of reddit and sucks that it's still a thing here
That was a potential solution I’d considered as well, but that’s also open to abuse (join a community, set a reminder for x amount of time, do the same thing as you were going to do anyway but with a delay). It would probably stop casual harassment but not do much for the KF-level stuff.
If it was easy to solve someone would have already done it, is my feeling. IMO trust in your instance admin to be fair when the community is at odds with the mods is the only practical way to deal with it without basically reinventing secure voting with verified voters. Which sounds like a hassle, but Godspeed to anyone who wants to give it a go.
I guess I was thinking like the majority would have to vote you out, that kind of thing...
If it doesn't grow and it's only you and get kicked out of the server for being a nuisance, nothing is lost. There was no community there to begin with. Actually, there was a greater super set community that rejected the mod. And, if there's a small community and they kick you out, even if you founded and started the community, then that's what the community wants.
You are ignoring that harassment is a problem. If any group of people has the power to follow you around and kick you out of any space you create then congrats, you’ve just made Kiwi Farms a new playground.
Maybe have it so only users with x amount of time can "vote" to prevent brigading.
Worked for valve and the steam deck as an anti scalper measure.
That's literally bullying, what the fuck.
Uh, if you can't tell the difference between voting and bullying, I don't know what to tell you.
This entire conversation is solving a problem that's already been mostly solved.
If you don't like an existing community, whether because of the mods or whatever, you just create a new one. This was common on Reddit (e.g. GameOfThrones vs FreeFolk vs ASOIAF), and extends further. If you don't like !Linux@lemmy.world, you can create !Linux@lemmy.ml, @programming.dev, @lemm.ee, or hundreds of others.
The community will respond accordingly. If you run a better ship, people will find it and respond accordingly. The only real hurdle is fighting inertia. The mods of the existing community will probably not take kindly to anyone mentioning any alternatives.
Sure everyone can make their own, except that there is a big threshold to actually get people moving. So unless something really but and bad happens, nobody cares and just stays. See Reddit -> Lemmy and how that did not happen apart of a small group of people.
I personally think the solution above will make people more confused. I'm already lost posting to the 5x Linux communities.
Hilarious lmao
Most Linux haters have skill issue. I mean you can apply a complete Windows-mimicking skin to Ubuntu or Mint and use that
I think a large portion of it comes from an intolerance for troubleshooting issues with their hardware drivers. Nvidia has definitely been a huge part of this over the years with their limited Linux support, but other hardware manufacturers are also sometimes hostile towards anything but Windows support.
I think there is a vocal population of Nvidia GPU users who see their very expensive graphics card working well under Windows but having some crippling problems with whatever drivers are available on Linux, so they blame Linux. They don’t take the time to understand the complexity of the situation, and I’m not sure that it matters that they do at the end of the day.
People should just use what works for them. Nobody should try to be a purist about tools or entertainment. I’ve been a professional system admin for both Linux and Windows, and while I have an unshakable preference for Linux and open source software in general, I will use whatever tool I need to use. Fusion 360 is a piece of software that has been great for my CAD needs, but I’ve had trouble making it work reliably through WINE, so I just boot to a Windows installation on a SFF PC I keep around specifically for 3D printing stuff. No big deal.
The real solution is to install HaikuOS on your mum's computer
OnlY TempleOS is the one true divine solution.
This sucks. I was about to sub and contribute.
there can only be one!
Omg the downvotes in that community 🤣
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No porn, please. Even if the *stack smashing* happens out-of-frame.
Lazy stereotyping and wojaks, man that is a bottom tier "community".
Oh cool, I was banned from there last month.
I honestly think the whole Linux community should be reading that sub rather than acting like Linux is perfect. Right now desktop Linux is for very tech savvy people who are willing to put in the time to learn and fix, and it’s for their grandmas who only need a web browser and maybe a word processor. Anyone who thinks differently needs to get their head out of the sand. I use Fedora.
moms gonna be pissed
So that meme reminds me of a prank.
There was once I had the same exact laptop as a buddy, but wasn't using it anymore. He was finishing his degree and just about to turn in like 8 papers/assignments and had a ton of work saved on it. So I wiped my laptop and installed fresh Kubuntu, and then swapped the drives when he wasn't looking. Then I pretended to have done him a favor since he had been having intermittent windows problems.
He was livid but was trying so hard to be kind, loool. Made it better when I could swap it right back and everything was there
That's just mean lol
That prank is so mischievous.
It was so good because I could be as rotten as I wanted, there was zero lasting harm. He immediately forgave me and found it amazing once he booted up the original drive and made sure it was all good
So what's the benefit of temporarily putting your friend in distress? What got better as a result of you scaring them?
Um, our relationship? Have you ever had friends where you prank each other? The trust it engenders when you show you can play in that space but still not cause any lasting harm pulls people closer. At least it has in my experience. He's one of my best friends ever
If someone who I considered a friend pulled that kind of stunt with me I would have one fewer friend. Screwing with people is rude and it's plain bully behavior when you know they're stressed and you mess around with a thing that is cruicial for them. You had fun at someone else's expense.
When I removed the knife from his throat he immediately assured me that he didn't have any grievances whatsoever.
That was just a huge dick move.
Maybe if afterwards I showed him the knife was made of painted wood, blunted completely, and I snuck a throat protector in his turtleneck.
I did more things like checking a windows install on my laptop first, and cloning his drive off before I pulled it.
We would regularly pull pranks on each other, the rule was it couldn't cause lasting harm. This fit well within that, and he got me at least as good multiple times. One of my best friends, ever
Your lack of empathy is appalling. Not your fault, but it's not considered normal to not understand that stressing out someone is really bad. It's a psycopathic trait, check this out.
it's not locked for me, did they reverse it?
Have to admit this graphic kicks ass! Mom's computer lol.
Windows too
ngl some of them are pretty funny
I'm gonna be real with you, one of the first things I've done when I joined lemmy, was to block most of the linux-centered communities.
Don't get me wrong, it's not the same as blocking fucking metric tons of brainrot that you have to do on other platforms, but at the end of the day - constant spam of geeky stuff is still a clutter if you're not interested in the topic.
Oh no. Anyway, I am here to talk to you about our lord and saviour, Richard Stallman.