Florida introduces anti-chemtrail bill
submitted by
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
www.newsweek.com/florida-bill-ban-weather-modif…
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/22744169
Florida State Senator Ileana Garcia has introduced legislation to prohibit "weather modification" activities in the state.
So no more releasing CO2 or CH4 (chemicals) into the atmosphere then?
I wish! They worded it such that the burning of fossil fuels and other things leading to the eradication of humanity through climate change are exempt 😮💨
But we know for sure that these chemicals are modifying the weather!
I guess, crazy people just need to shout at clouds sometimes.
Everyone knows it only counts if it takes 2 hours to modify the weather. Anything over that is simply God's will
I feel SO sorry for the few sane rational people in Florida some times.
Both of them?
No, fuck Dave
Is there enough time‽
There's always time to fuck Dave.
Dave Barry? But he’s hilarious!
Come on now… there are tens of them.
The airlines should immediately halt service to the entire state if this goes in to effect. Why waste the time and money defending yourself against these conspiracies.
it doesn't affect them.
It's stupid as fuck but is slightly saved by being worded as to be utterly and completely toothless.
Prohibit "weather modification".
So are they banning Sharpies?
Worse: Weather modification, though possible, just doesn't really work. People gave up on that back in the day.
Cloud seeding certainly does work and is used in many places to promote rainfall or redirect hail or rainfall to protect crops.
It certainly does work, until you look at numbers and they are either negligible, or great until they stop being great quickly.
https://www.mdpi.com/2306-5338/11/10/167
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00207233.2024.2358707
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jmsj/102/4/102_2024-021/_article/-char/ja/
I would not call that a consensus on "it does work".
Does it?
Last I heard, the effectiveness is rather disputed.
The same people who think humans can't alter the climate also claim that the government is controlling the weather.
Was anyone really unsure of her party affiliation by this point in the article?
So, a plane that dumps water onto a fire is dispersing a chemical (water) with the express purpose of controlling the temperature. So firefighting planes would be illegal under this bill.
Sure is a good thing that florida doesn't have forest fires... RIGHT?
Well yeah, they rake their forests
And again I'm grateful that I'm not from the US. I know dumb people are everywhere but you clearly have loudest.
I feel sorry for all the entrepreneurs and employees in the chemtrail industry.
Imagine that you're flying a chemtrailer and then a wild $10000 fee appears out of nowhere, and there's a shark. Are you going to choose the shark? Nobody would. I guess a fine of $1000 is just the cost of doing chemtrail business now.
"I'm trying to make gay frogs."
It worked!
I don't know what chems you've been huffing, but they seem fun, so please share some 😄
Puff Puff Pass!
I'm after you
"Pass the dutchie on the left hand side" isn't just a Tim Hortons slogan
(Technically there are chemtrails that exist. Crop dusting planes. So i actually wonder if this will impact crop dusting in any capacity.)
Imagine every commercial jet that leaves a contrail now having to go to court.
"911, what is your emergency?"
"THERE IS A PLANE IN THE SKY SPREADING CHEMICALS OVER MY HOUSE"
Dispatcher: "Emergency crew, please treat this as urgent, and bring haldol."
Nothing else to do at work but this. Must be nice.
And here am I remebering the last hurricane devastating Florida, thinking: "You probably need some weather manipulation more then others..."
Then is not than
Neither is it thin.
"Fun" fact, "chemtrails" were used in the Soviet Union in 86' right after the Chernobyl disaster to stop a radioactive cloud going to Moscow. They dumped a shitload of dry ice to make it rain. It rained over small villages which caused people there to get radiation sickness.
Fun "fact," this was the inspiration for Prince's *Purple Rain.*
That's the most "fun" fact I heard in a long time
So shut down all coal and gas power plants.
wow I didn't expect this to pass before the anti-Sasquatch legislation did but here we are
Does this affect Jewish space lasers at all? Asking for a friend
Yes, but not other faiths' space lasers, I heard the rastafarian space laser is totally dope
People can't afford home insurance, seniors are being driven from their condos but let's focus on a law addressing conspiracy theories. Next up, a law protecting big foot.
Wait till the Samsquantch hears about this
wat.
Does this prohibit people from shooting at the clouds to scare them away?
These bills are always branded as being "anti-chemtrail," because it gets more clicks but they are banning a real thing that actually exists. The idea of chemically altering the atmosphere to address global warming is something that scientists have seriously considered and experimented with, but the general consensus is that while the concept is possible, the risks outweigh the benefits. On the other hand, there are certain irresponsible groups of techbros like Make Sunsets which have taken it into their own hands and have been releasing a bunch of sulfur into the stratosphere, to widespread criticism from actual scientists, while they try to present themselves as an environmentalist charity.
So there is a real thing that they're targeting, but also, it's not going to do anything since the restrictions only apply within a given jurisdiction. At most, it might prevent certain universities and such from conducting tests (which isn't an inherently bad thing given the dangers).
What it comes down to is basically the same formula as the whole "eating bugs" and "15 minute cities" things. Somebody gets paid to come up with a solution to climate change that doesn't involve interfering with capitalism in any way, they come up with some out of the box idea that might help a little - then reactionaries latch onto that, because as they all "know," climate change isn't real, so whatever weird idea anyone comes up with must be the real reason why the global elites are spreading the myth.
Of course, conservatives probably aren't concerned about this concept for the same reasons scientists are, and I'm sure there's conspiracy theories out there that do go the whole chemtrail route with it, but hey. They kinda sorta accidentally have a little bit of a point on this one.
Yeah, there's that little legitimate concern that gets washed into the conspiracy theory. It's gotta be intentional. Proponents of weather alteration bans can find lengthy descriptions of TINY weather modification operations to fuel the idea that chemtrails are real, opponents roll their eyes because obviously chemtrails aren't real and brush off the idea that a part might be true, so they don't even engage with the proponents.
So, taking it at the closely-adjacent letter like how Repub trash interprets everything, all industry in the entire state must cease, including power generation.
Nope, it says "express purpose" meaning that my doomsday machine is legal because it's purpose is to... Uhh... Make snow cones! The earthquakes and volcanoes are just a side effect.
But complaints will take up shitloads of time and money to investigate and find nothing but enlarging the government and calling it reduction is sort of the repub playbook.
I mean, that's fine. No one is doing that anyway, so it won't affect anything. It's like banning post-birth abortion.
Several states use cloud seeding to deal with drought among other things. It's not used in Florida currently, but it might be a useful tool to deal with the effects of climate change in the future.
Hope it passes so everyone flying a jet plane over Florida that leaves a contrail or agricultural spraying has to go to court to get the fine dismissed.
No more planes into or out of Florida doesn't sound like the worst outcome to me.
This has more implications than I think most realize. This would also prevent climate engineering or hurricane avoidance efforts. I wouldn’t want just anybody to try these kinds of things without a lot of effort to understand the consequences and public debate, but this seems pretty short sighted.
I thought we were using nuclear weapons for that.