Vim is built different

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I don't know why there's so much hate for Vim. It's simple- just use it as your default text editor since you first started using computers, and keep using it forever, and problem solved!

Setup for the overused joke - I've been using vim since I first started using a computer, I just can't quit.

VIM really does have everything. Even a fully functional internet browser. 🙂

yeah, but emacs still wins out in capabilities. https://xkcd.com/378/



Right now I'm at the hospital in the exam yr colon queue! Maybe it helps U too.



:set nocompat

Why VIM decided to make itself run just like VI (by default) is beyond me. Isn’t the long name “VI Improved”?

Vims defaults are quite crap overall. It is why everyone needs 100s of lines of configs and many plugins to turn it into something decent. Well worth the setup but it could go a long way to making things nicer to use out the box.




I switched from vi to vim in 1994 and found it immediately obvious how to quit — it was just like vi!

I guess I'll never understand these memes.


I've recently started administering windows headless. PowerShell over SSH.

Don't have this problem on windows server!

It doesn't even have a terminal text editor

I have to install nano or use powershell commands through hoops of fire just to edit a line in a file.

Or download the file via scp, edit and reupload.

Pure Insanity.

Is edlin still around?


Clearly you should install Edit.

https://github.com/microsoft/edit

Classic DOS editor for text files, batch coding, and QBasic coding. Good times.


Ok that's really cool. It looks like it's really new? Like 3 months old?

It was announced in may on microsoft build event ^^



I installed vim/nvim on my work windows pc.
I don't often need to edit text files in terminal, but its nice having its functionality.


My actual issue is I need approval to install anything on any server. This might get approved since it's MS though! Thanks.

I think they plan on making it ship with windows by default at some point, so perhaps it'll be in future versions of Windows Server and you won't have to add it.





Personally, I have seen so many memes about exiting vim that by the time I got to use it for the first time, exiting it was a no-brainer.

For any newbies out there, the command is

:wq

I'm going to stick with my current process of accidentally opening vim, typing semi-random things that feel like they should work for a minute and then eventually looking up how to quit on my phone.


Just to add: possible need to tap esc first, as your random flailing probably put you in insert mode, or something more exotic.

And only add w if you want to save the file. :q! If you don't

! If you edited the buffer at all. 👍

With random flailing, most likely




😳

:w = write; or overwrite if the file already exists.

Please don’t give blanket destructive advice.

This one's fine. They'll then learn the next vim button, u for undo. I believe it's saved between boots of vim? It may be my kickstarted neovim config tho

I would say not in all installations, no. And honestly, it’s not worth trusting.

And for those who are unfamiliar, and want to set it up: https://blog.openreplay.com/persistent-undo-vim-save-restore-history/




also worth noting you open vim the first time, you get a huge ass splash screen telling you how to exit

Only if you don’t immediately open a file.



And if you panicked before and fucked up the opened file while hammering on the keyboard:

:q!

:x is also an alternative to save and quit.

Equally valid for the facial expression you'd make upon finding that out.


There's also ZZ 👉😎👉 Same caveats apply, smash that fukken esc key (for bonus points rebind caps lock as esc) then ZZ Top your way out of that shit.

This is the most correct answer.

Rebind Caps to Esc.

ZZ (or ZQ if you don't want to save the file).




You have heard of :wq, but have you heard of ZZ

How about :x.

how about alt+printscreen lift printscreen but keep holding alt, now press b, you succesfully exited vim, works for emacs too!




An old Buffalo NAS box made me learn vi. Because that's all it had.

Yes, this comic speaks to me.


Recently I decided to try ed for real and used it exclusively for a coding project. There is a certain joy in the simplicity, but ultimately I found myself printing lines and searching files more than I liked. And rewriting long lines instead of getting the substitutions wrong again.





Vim is pretty amazing. Almost everywhere now too.

Honestly if there was an award for keybindings for style in terms of the way something like the MLA style guide would describe "good style" in the context of english, Vim would easily win it. It is one of the oldest, most coherent, extendable, fast, joyful and resilient conceptions of how to manipulate text with a keyboard ever created and it is awesome how it is such a compelling idea that it no longer exists as a literal codebase at this point, but rather a style and philosophy of keybindings.

It is shockingly beautiful even if you find it annoying to use in practice (I get it).

For example, the Qutebrowser is just awesome, I don't care if you don't like vim you can't argue with the power, ease of use and minimal UI the system requires in exchange for all the control you could want for navigating web pages without needing a mouse.

The utility of vim keybindings in my opinion extends further into a lot of unexplored accessibility benefits because any vim style input scheme to a program is going to be by definition a nice limited set of inputs someone can custom map to their accessibility hardware or software to have full control over a software and they won't have to worry about needing a mouse at super annoying parts because they know that is against The Core Commandments Of Vim.

When making a custom or 3rd party controller to a software, there is always the problem of how many control inputs are you going to need, some softwares go nuts with unnecessary keybindings for silly things that becomes a nightmare to try to map a custom hardware/software controller to. Vim keybindings on the other hand well... it is the keyboard proper and that is it, boom done....



‘vimtutor’ is your friend. Nobody sane uses vim as an IDE, but if you have to ssh to a host to fuck with a config file it’s pretty nice to know because you can guarantee that most distros have at least vi, if not vim.

Nobody sane uses vim as an IDE

True, same people use unix as their IDE and vim as the editor therein.


Nobody sane uses vim as an IDE

Huh? Many people do this. With the right plugins and config it is just as capable as any IDE.

I’ve met both the good kind of insane genius that uses it as an IDE and the crazy-board nutjob that uses it as an IDE, but both are decidedly not sane.


Many people do this.

Many people are insane.

wait till you see emacs, and dont even let me mention vscode that thing runs on JS!




If using vim makes people insane, then what does using ed makes me?


And if not they have sed or ed or echo and cat.


If you're just doing a quick config edit, nano is significantly easier to use and is also present in most distros.

Vi/Vim is useful as a customizable dev environment, but in the present there are better, more feature-rich development tools - unless you are specifically doing a lot of development in a GUI-free system, for some reason.

I mean, if youre continually updating files on remote take the time to learn vim. My God it's a million times more efficient. Even using the keybindings in an ide makes sense.

That and Im not aware that rhel distros at all have nano built in. Nothing on a random rocky 9 box I randomly sshed into just now.

Helix crew chiming in. 🙋‍♂️



vim is more feature rich than nano, nano is easier to use for the first time, after you learn the very basics vim is pretty much just as easy to use and way more feature rich


Im completely lost on Nano. Vim is SO much quicker.

One +ive for nano is that it has general commands listed down below, by default.
So, as long as you understand ^ and M-, which you are expected to (idk why, ask sbd else), if you have been using Linux CLI, you will at least know how to exit.

Oh, and I just realised: it also says "[ Welcome to nano. For basic help, type Ctrl+G. ]", where it explains what ^ and M- are.

So nano could be considered an accessibility program for people who are new to the GeNerally Used CLI, while vim is the thing you will configure for yourself when you know what you want.
Oh and I am definitely configuring it. I hate the hjkl for movement. I have arrow keys and I am going to use them. And I am not buying your 60% mechanicals no matter how much you make sure that 100% keyboards are not available with good keys.

Agree with your point on nano. I used it as a beginner too, but once you get past the basic typing something in, vim is king.

However, I disagree with the rest of your post. Hjkl are superior to arrow keys once you get used to them. I thought that day would never come, but I got used to it way quicker than initially anticipated.

As a 60% owner and 34 key ergo advocator, also disagree with the last point.

Hjkl are superior to arrow keys once you get used to them.

I disagree with this point. I am able to use them quite functionally and I still want my arrow keys, because they are arrow keys. Also, you can use them without exiting INSERT mode.

I do however, agree with your last point.^[I agree with the fact that you disagree with me. Nothing else.]

Oh, and I also don't like the pseudo ergonomics of mechanical keyboards.
All they do is make it harder to use with a more relaxed hand position.

Just FYI I am not downvoting you.






What editor is more feature-rich then vim? Out the box it is lacking some sane config but it is one of the more powerful and flexible editors out there - more then a rival for any modern IDE.

emacs :)

I said editor, not an OS that lacks a decent editor :)






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